[HamWAN PSDR] Newbie

Fri Mar 19 15:27:33 PDT 2021

Phil, good luck making some progress on that.  In the meantime, you should consider putting together a portable HamWAN client.  Two of us NBAT volunteers have done that, a guy using a MikroTik SXT Lite5 on a camera tripod, and me using a MikroTik LHG XL HP5 on a homebrew portable stand.  Inexpensive, of course you can move it around to a line of sight location as needed where you can run Winlink etc your laptop; theoretically, adding another pair to set up a bridge from there to an EOC might be a solution of getting around obstacles.

Stephen W9SK

From: PSDR <psdr-bounces at hamwan.org> On Behalf Of Phil Cornell via PSDR
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This discussion of encryption is all very interesting but I think we got off track here.  I was asking for help with setting up a new link.  Right now it looks like the Thurston County EOC is questionable due to some trees blocking the view of Capital Peak from the parking lot.  We need to see this view from the tower or building roof and that won't be happening anytime soon.  My Plan C, ("A" was at my house, "B" was at the EOC) is to install it at Crawford Peak, just outside of the town of Rainier, and connect it to a new Fusion capable UHF repeater(OARS 441.400 pl103.5) and link to Capital Peak from there.  That will require a lot of permissions, politics, and persistence.  It will require working with TCOMM-911(building/tower owner), DNR(site manager), and Thurston County Sheriff(lease holder), the IT/Radio tech for TCOMM is very interested so this may be easier than expected.

More details to follow.

Phil Cornell  

W7PLC 

SHARES NCS590

Hybrid Gateway W7PLC

TCARES  VP

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  1. Encryption is (can be) Legal (Donald Rotolo)

Hello,

To amplify Kevin’s comment below: 

In a conversation several years ago with Riley Hollingsworth, then the FCC’s enforcement guy, he emphasized to me that “obscuring the meaning” was not allowed, but encryption for other purposes was perfectly acceptable. I even wrote about it (“Encryption is Legal”, August 2006) in CQ Magazine (google it, it’ll come up somewhere).

Granted, Riley is no longer with the FCC. But authentication != obscuring meaning, and lawyers focus on the meaning of the words as written. And, if it is not prohibited, it is allowed.

So it all comes down to the purpose of the encryption, right?  Purpose is obscuring meaning = Not allowed. Purpose is other, allowed.

73, Don N2IRZ

From: Kevin Walsh [mailto:w8khw1 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 6:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie

Hello,

The word encryption never appears in Part 97 rules, so its definition is irrelevant here. The key words in the rule are “intent” and “obscure”.  So for instance, two people speaking pig-Latin with the intent of obscuring their conversation violate the same rule and the conversation is prohibited - even though it’s not encrypted.

If I may, another option would be to get any of your associated Public Safety agencies to in part sponsor HamWan. Public Safety was granted access to the “special” Amateur Radio portion of 5.8GHz years ago and they CAN use (and in my state require) secure communication. Then you’re operating under Part 15 and the conversation is moot.

https://www.fcc.gov/public-safety/public-safety-and-homeland-security/policy-and-licensing-division/public-safety-spectrum

Just food for thought, I’ll go back to lurking now :-).

73, 

Kevin

W8KHW 

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