<div dir="auto">I’m running a reliable connection Tacoma -> Haystack, and I consistently achieve over 10Mbs / 10Mbs download/upload speeds with very low latency under 20ms with a distance of over 85k / 52mi.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">LOS is going to be the best factor in selecting a site for your setup. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">73,</div><div dir="auto">Wade W7ITL</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 5:48 PM Nigel Vander Houwen <<a href="mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com">nigel@nigelvh.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">To Tom’s point, the distance almost doesn’t matter. We’ve had links much farther than the 28 miles you’re looking at. You would of course want to select a client setup with the most gain possible for reliability, but almost universally if you can see it, you can connect.<br>
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> On Mar 17, 2023, at 17:34, Nick Kartsioukas <<a href="mailto:nick@explodinglemur.org" target="_blank">nick@explodinglemur.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> I can see nothing from my roof. From my original mail, "For example it looks like I "only" need a 35' mast for Baldi, but at 28mi away I'm not sure I can get connected reliably, vs Beacon or Capitol Park which are much closer but I'd need at least a 66' mast thanks to local terrain and trees." Local terrain and trees are a challenge here which is why I want to gather and simulate as much as I can before I try to do something that a simulation would rule out.<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, at 22:17, Tom Hayward wrote:<br>
>> I can appreciate the desire to play around with the mapping tools and <br>
>> coverage models. I have done a lot of that myself.<br>
>> <br>
>> We've found that the most reliable predictor of coverage, aside from an <br>
>> RF survey, is a pair of binoculars. Can you see the tower while <br>
>> standing on your roof? <br>
>> <br>
>> Tom KD7LXL <br>
>> <br>
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 21:17 Nick Kartsioukas <<a href="mailto:nick@explodinglemur.org" target="_blank">nick@explodinglemur.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Because I enjoy playing around with radio coverage mapping tools and want to have the closest representation of reality?<br>
>>> I'm in an exceptionally non-optimal area for PSDR, so I want to have as much information as I can about required mast height and link budget for each site before I go actually installing anything.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, at 15:45, Stephen Kangas wrote:<br>
>>>> Nick, I'm not certain why precision matters here. My experience <br>
>>>> working with Bart & Doug assisting them putting up the Rattlesnake Mtn <br>
>>>> sector is that they may deviate from the exact bearing only to provide <br>
>>>> better coverage to the area below, avoiding obstacles and focusing on <br>
>>>> the user community. We're not talking really narrow beams here. You <br>
>>>> should be able to expect that if there is a sector antenna pointed to <br>
>>>> your area that it is optimized for your chances of connection <br>
>>>> regardless of how precise the sector antennas matches 0deg N bearing <br>
>>>> offsets.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> FWIW, Stephen W9SK<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> On Behalf Of Carl Leon<br>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 3:16 PM<br>
>>>> To: 'Puget Sound Data Ring' <<a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Site details?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Those are the standard. I think there is one single sector site where <br>
>>>> that varies, but am not certain.<br>
>>>> Carl, N7KUW<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: PSDR <<a href="mailto:psdr-bounces@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr-bounces@hamwan.org</a>> On Behalf Of Nick Kartsioukas<br>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 9:51 AM<br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:psdr@hamwan.org" target="_blank">psdr@hamwan.org</a><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Site details?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Sorry, I phrased that part poorly. Are all sectors aligned at <br>
>>>> 0/120/240 when present, or do they deviate from those bearings?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, at 08:26, Doug Kingston wrote:<br>
>>>>> Not all the cell sites have every sector. If a cell site is on the <br>
>>>>> side of a hill or has a large obstruction immediately adjacent, we <br>
>>>>> omit the sector facing into the obstruction as it would not serve any <br>
>>>>> useful purpose.<br>
>>>>> We have tried to depict the available sector in the map on the <br>
>>>>> website, but you may need to zoom in to see that detail. If you have <br>
>>>>> questions about particular sites, Feel free to contact me directly<br>
>>>>> (<a href="mailto:dpk@randomnotes.org" target="_blank">dpk@randomnotes.org</a>) or mail the netops@ list or ask on our IRC <br>
>>>>> channel.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> -Doug-<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 9:15 PM Nick Kartsioukas <br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:nick@explodinglemur.org" target="_blank">nick@explodinglemur.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I've been able to find location info for most of the PSDR sites and antenna height info for some of them. Do they all have sectors pointing 0/120/240 degrees relative to north? Is there anywhere that has EIRP info? I'm trying to see how tall a mast I need to get connected, and whether or not I can even make link for some of the sites. For example it looks like I "only" need a 35' mast for Baldi, but at 28mi away I'm not sure I can get connected reliably, vs Beacon or Capitol Park which are much closer but I'd need at least a 66' mast thanks to local terrain and trees.<br>
>>>>>> At the moment I'm using <a href="https://ispdesign.ui.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ispdesign.ui.com/</a> (which now has LIDAR data for buildings/trees!) and have also used RadioMobile Deluxe in the past.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Thanks!<br>
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>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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