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<p>Thanks for the data point Alan,</p>
<p>So the QRT 5AC is an AC device confirmed to work with HamWAN.
Thanks a lot, this gives me hope that some of the other newer AC
devices might also be compatible. <br>
</p>
<p>73,<br>
Chris<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/22/23 10:04, Alan Dieringer [WX7L]
wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="4">Back in Sept. 2021, I decided to connect
with </font><span style="font-size:large">HamWAN's Puget
Sound Data Ring (PSDR) in order to have Winlink
capability in an emergency. Based on</span><span
style="font-size:large"> HamWAN's PDF comparing various
devices that shows the QRT 5 ac along with many others
</span> <a
href="http://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware/antenas_mantbox.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style=""
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware/antenas_mantbox.pdf</a> <<a
href="http://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware/antenas_mantbox.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style=""
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://hamwan.org/Standards/Component%20Engineering/Client%20Hardware/antenas_mantbox.pdf</a><span
style="font-size:large"> I decided to investigate if the
QRT 5ac would work on the PSDR. Flytec Computers had it
in stock and the salesperson assured me it would work or
they would take it back and refund my money.</span></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">So I purchased a MikroTik </font><span
style="font-size:large">QRT</span><font size="4"> </font><span
style="font-size:large">5ac</span><font size="4"> flat
panel antenna and had it operational on HamWAN's Puget
Sound Data Ring (PSDR) using the guidance on </font><a
href="http://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration.html</a><font
size="4"> and Dan K7MM Ransom's Feb. 2016 video </font><a
href="http://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration/Configure%20Radio%20Modem_1080%20dlr%20.mp4"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://hamwan.org/Standards/Network%20Engineering/Client%20Node%20Configuration/Configure%20Radio%20Modem_1080%20dlr%20.mp4</a><font
size="4"> demonstrating how to use the guidance.</font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">When I first turned it on, I found that
within about 48 degrees of bearing the antenna was
picking up three HamWAN sites: Gold (19 miles); Buck (30
miles) and Blyn (42 miles). Cloud cover on the Buck Mt.
site Line of Sight (LOS) frequently reduces the signal
strength to such a degree that it is dropped from the
"scan" list. Depending on the weather and clouds, the
QRT 5ac picks the best signal at any particular moment
which was generally Gold. So Gold was the site which I
kept the QRT 5ac pointed at. After Gold and Blyn were
decommissioned, I pointed the QRT 5ac at Buck and
Winlink messages would transmit within a few seconds
even in bad weather. I did not keep the QRT 5ac on
continuously as my primary interest was having emergency
communications. </font></div>
<div><font size="4"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Be sure to order the "International"
version and not the "US" version.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">73</font></div>
<div><font size="4">Alan WX7L</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">P.S. Below is an email to Nigel <span
style="background-color:rgb(247,245,255);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">K7NVH</span><span
style="background-color:rgb(247,245,255);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></font><span
style="font-size:large">on my Sept. 26, 2021 PSDR
experience. My thanks to Nigel for generously
volunteering to Elmer me. The email contains
information from the QRT 5ac via the WinBox operating
software utilizing the "/interface wireless scan 0" and
"/interface wireless monitor 0" commands.</span></div>
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message ---------<br>
From: <span dir="auto"><<a
href="mailto:WX7L@winlink.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">WX7L@winlink.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 1:05 PM<br>
Subject: QRT 5ac Signal Reports for radio-name:
S2.Blyn/K7WAN; Buck-S2/K7WAN; and, Gold-<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:nigel@nigelvh.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
class="gmail-il">nigel@nigelvh.com</span></a>><br>
Cc: <<a href="mailto:wx7l@westseattlearc.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">wx7l@westseattlearc.org</a>></div>
<br>
Nigel,<br>
The clouds rolled in over Gold Mt., so I thought I would
see what sort of connection I could get with Buck.
While swinging the QRT 5ac further north I found another
signal and locked onto it. I then checked the signal in
WinBox and found I was connected to S2.Blyn/K7WAN and
getting a much better tx/rx rate than with Gold. Below
is the information for Blyn, Buck, and Gold. These
were taken within the past half hour. If you have the
location and radio information for the Blyn site I would
appreciate it.<br>
73<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless scan 0<br>
Flags: A - active, P - privacy, R - routeros-network, N
- nstreme, T - tdma, W - wds, B - bridge<br>
ADDRESS SSID
CHANNEL SIG NF SNR RADIO-NAME
ROUTEROS-VERSION
<br>
A RT B E4:8D:8C:F1:6D:22 HamWAN 5900/5/an
-82 -109 27 Gold-S2/K7WAN
<br>
A RT B C4:AD:34:D3:8D:8C HamWAN 5900/10/an
-80 -111 31 S2.Blyn/K7WAN
<br>
A RT B 64:D1:54:98:2F:21 HamWAN 5900/10/an
-86 -111 25 Buck-S2/K7WAN
<br>
<br>
<b>[admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless monitor 0
radio-name: S2.Blyn/K7WAN</b><br>
status: connected-to-ess<br>
channel: 5900/10/an<br>
wireless-protocol: nv2<br>
tx-rate: 21.6Mbps-10MHz/2S/SGI<br>
rx-rate: 13Mbps-10MHz/2S<br>
ssid: HamWAN<br>
bssid: C4:AD:34:D3:8D:8C<br>
radio-name: <b>S2.Blyn/K7WAN</b><br>
signal-strength: -81dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch0: -83dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch1: -84dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength: -78dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch0: -82dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch1: -80dBm<br>
noise-floor: -111dBm<br>
signal-to-noise: 30dB<br>
tx-ccq: 48%<br>
rx-ccq: 32%<br>
authenticated-clients: 1<br>
current-distance: 68<br>
wds-link: no<br>
bridge: no<br>
routeros-version: 6.47<br>
last-ip: 44.24.245.1<br>
notify-external-fdb: no
radio-name: S2.Blyn/K7WAN<br>
<br>
[admin@WX7L-Gold] ><br>
<br>
[admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless scan 0 <br>
Flags: A - active, P - privacy, R - routeros-network, N
- nstreme, T - tdma, W - wds, B - bridge<br>
ADDRESS SSID
CHANNEL SIG NF SNR RADIO-NAME
ROUTEROS-VERSION
<br>
A RT B E4:8D:8C:F1:6D:22 HamWAN 5900/5/an
-86 -107 21 Gold-S2/K7WAN
<br>
A RT B 64:D1:54:98:2F:21 HamWAN 5900/10/an
-76 -112 36 Buck-S2/K7WAN
<br>
RT B C4:AD:34:D3:8D:8C HamWAN 5900/10/an
-90 -112 22 S2.Blyn/K7WAN
<br>
<br>
<b>[admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless monitor 0
radio-name: Buck-S2/K7WAN</b><br>
status: connected-to-ess<br>
channel: 5900/10/an<br>
wireless-protocol: nv2<br>
tx-rate: 21.6Mbps-10MHz/2S/SGI<br>
rx-rate: 14.4Mbps-10MHz/2S/SGI<br>
ssid: HamWAN<br>
bssid: 64:D1:54:98:2F:21<br>
radio-name: Buck-S2/K7WAN<br>
signal-strength: -78dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch0: -81dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch1: -81dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength: -78dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch0: -80dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch1: -82dBm<br>
noise-floor: -111dBm<br>
signal-to-noise: 33dB<br>
tx-ccq: 38%<br>
rx-ccq: 38%<br>
authenticated-clients: 1<br>
current-distance: 48<br>
wds-link: no<br>
bridge: no<br>
routeros-version: 6.42.6<br>
last-ip: 142.250.69.202
<br>
notify-external-fdb: no
radio-name: Buck-S2/K7WAN<br>
<br>
[admin@WX7L-Gold] ><br>
[admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless scan 0 <br>
Flags: A - active, P - privacy, R - routeros-network, N
- nstreme, T - tdma, W - wds, B - bridge<br>
ADDRESS SSID
CHANNEL SIG NF SNR RADIO-NAME
ROUTEROS-VERSION
<br>
A RT B E4:8D:8C:F1:6D:22 HamWAN 5900/5/an
-70 -109 39 Gold-S2/K7WAN
<br>
A RT B 64:D1:54:98:2F:21 HamWAN 5900/10/an
-80 -112 32 Buck-S2/K7WAN
<br>
<br>
<b>[admin@WX7L-Gold] > /interface wireless monitor 0
radio-name: Gold-S2/K7WAN</b><br>
status: connected-to-ess<br>
channel: 5900/5/an<br>
wireless-protocol: nv2<br>
tx-rate: 7.2Mbps-5MHz/2S/SGI<br>
rx-rate: 3.6Mbps-5MHz/1S/SGI<br>
ssid: HamWAN<br>
bssid: E4:8D:8C:F1:6D:22<br>
radio-name: Gold-S2/K7WAN<br>
signal-strength: -71dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch0: -73dBm<br>
signal-strength-ch1: -75dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength: -71dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch0: -74dBm<br>
tx-signal-strength-ch1: -74dBm<br>
noise-floor: -108dBm<br>
signal-to-noise: 37dB<br>
tx-ccq: 38%<br>
rx-ccq: 21%<br>
authenticated-clients: 1<br>
current-distance: 31<br>
wds-link: no<br>
bridge: no<br>
routeros-version: 6.43.4<br>
last-ip: 172.217.14.206<br>
notify-external-fdb: no
radio-name: Gold-S2/K7WAN<br>
<br>
[admin@WX7L-Gold] ><br>
</div>
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<div><b><font size="4">P.P.S. Here is some additional
information on the radio sites and from where I
purchased my QRT 5ac:</font></b></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><b><font size="4">Google Maps for Blyn Radio Site: </font></b><a
href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/Blyn+Radio+Site/@48.006345,-122.972436,231m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xdc9d4176b55add1a!8m2!3d48.0062919!4d-122.9729022?hl=en-US"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><font size="1">https://www.google.com/maps/place/Blyn+Radio+Site/@48.006345,-122.972436,231m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xdc9d4176b55add1a!8m2!3d48.0062919!4d-122.9729022?hl=en-US</font></a></div>
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<b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">WX7L QTH to Blyn Radio Site </b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> </span>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">Latitude: 48.00625
Longitude: -122.972917</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">Locator: </span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN88MA31GM&from=CN87TM38HV"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">CN88MA31GM</a></b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> (</span><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN88MA31GM&from=CN87TM38HV&t=n"
target="_blank" style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">map</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">, </span><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN88MA31GM&from=CN87TM38HV&t=s"
target="_blank" style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">sat</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">, </span><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN88MA31GM&from=CN87TM38HV&t=t"
target="_blank" style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">terrain</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">, </span><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN88MA31GM&from=CN87TM38HV&t=h"
target="_blank" style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">hybrid</a><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">)</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">Distance from </span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">CN87TM38HV</b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> - </span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">68.087 km</b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> (42.31 mi) </span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> </b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> </span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">Bearing ~ </span><b
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">320.32°</b><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> (reverse bearing ~
140.32°)</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif">Midpoint - lat: 47.772071
lon: -122.679586</span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
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<div><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif"> WX7L QTH to Gold Mt.</b><font
face="Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br>
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40px;border:none;padding:0px">
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<div style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px
8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">Latitude:
47.547743 Longitude: -122.804514 </div>
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<div style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px
8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">Locator: <b><a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN87ON31&from=CN87TM38HV"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">CN87ON31</a></b>
(<a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN87ON31&from=CN87TM38HV&t=n"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">map</a>, <a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN87ON31&from=CN87TM38HV&t=s"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sat</a>, <a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN87ON31&from=CN87TM38HV&t=t"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">terrain</a>, <a
href="https://k7fry.com/grid/?qth=CN87ON31&from=CN87TM38HV&t=h"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hybrid</a>)</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px
8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">Distance from <b>CN87TM38HV</b> - <b>31.217
km</b> (19.4 mi)</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px
8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">Bearing ~ <b>272.37°</b> (reverse
bearing ~ 92.37°)</div>
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</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px
8px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">Midpoint - lat:
47.542679 lon: -122.596593</div>
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<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px 8px"><b>Bearing
Degrees from WX7L QTH to Gold Mt Less WX7L QTH to
Blyn Radio Site </b></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px 8px">
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">
320.3 - 272.4 = 47.9 </div>
<b>Note: </b><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">I
became interested in the flat panel antennas
because Ian KE7MAP Gallagher and Kevin KI7HRC Gow
had brought in their HamWAN nodes to club
breakfasts several years ago, which were smaller
than mine and very portable. I also read the test
results of WA7ONY using the predecessor QRT model
from various locations (see </span><a
href="http://www.stargazing.net/david/sdr/HamWAN.html"
target="_blank"
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.stargazing.net/david/sdr/HamWAN.html</a><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">) in
Oregon and southern Washington. It seemed like
the newer model would be a good choice for both
portable operations and also for linking to Gold
Mt. which is 19 miles from my QTH. I was amazed
when I linked 42 miles to Blyn.</span></div>
<div
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;margin:7px 10px 8px"><span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin:7px 10px 8px">
<h1
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;box-sizing:border-box;margin:20px
0px 10px;font-size:24px;line-height:1.1">Mikrotik
QRT 5 ac dual chain 5GHz outdoor flat panel 24dBi
antenna with built in routerboard International
Version <a
href="https://mikrotik.com/product/RB911G-5HPacD-QRT"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mikrotik.com/product/RB911G-5HPacD-QRT</a></h1>
<h1
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;box-sizing:border-box;margin:20px
0px 10px;line-height:1.1"><span
style="font-size:24px"><span
style="font-weight:500"> </span><a
href="https://flyteccomputers.com/mikrotik-rb911g-5hpacd-qrt"
style="font-family:"Trebuchet
MS",Trebuchet,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-weight:normal"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://flyteccomputers.com/mikrotik-rb911g-5hpacd-qrt</a>
</span><font size="4">currently out of stock</font></h1>
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I purchsed from FlyTec for
$167.99 + $25.04 tax = $193.03 and received it
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$164 buy International version not the US
version<br>
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