[HamWAN PSDR] Quarterly Board Call

Sun Apr 3 21:39:20 PDT 2016

I'm sorry I wasn't clear before.  The term "budget" seems to be
confusing things here.

What's important is that expenses are reviewed and approved (by board
vote).  The fact that we do it in bulk and in advance is well within
our power in the constitution and I don't believe it needs changing.

I also don't agree that directors need the ability to spend more than
$100 without review and approval.  However, I also think it's silly to
call a board meeting every time we have an unexpected expense.  If the
board had pre-approved funds to replace faulty equipment, we could
have used that to either reimburse Bart or buy the modem directly.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Rob Salsgiver <rob at nr3o.com> wrote:
> Nigel,
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> Thanks for the note.  I understood what Cory was saying.  The point I was
> trying to make is that the current Constitution does not even have the basic
> provision in it for anyone to establish a budget and that an approved budget
> may (or may not) be subject to the specifically spelled out spending limit
> in the Constitution.  I agree 100% that things need changed – we only differ
> on what needs to be changed.
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> If you look at sample bylaws at http://inn.org/about/legal/bylaws/ in
> section 4.04 you will see the following:
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> “….The Finance Committee is responsible for overseeing and reviewing fiscal
> matters, fundraising plans, and the annual budget with staff, and other
> board members. The board must approve the budget and all planned
> expenditures within the budget prior to the start of the fiscal year. The
> fiscal year shall start on July 1st and end on June 30th.  Any planned major
> change in the budget – (i.e. more than a 15 percent variance from the
> previously approved total annual budget) must be reviewed and approved by
> the Finance Committee or the full board. …”
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> It’s a pretty basic concept that is missing in the HamWAN Constitution –
> namely that of granting the specific power of the purse.  The only item
> spelled out is that expenditures over $100 need to be voted on – period.
> The above example specifically lays out the ability to develop and approve a
> budget as a mechanism for paying the bills.  In the above example, it adds
> the constraint of a review being needed if things go too far beyond the
> budgeted expectations.  A similar provision could be added to the HamWAN
> Constitution and it would be pretty much a done issue going forward.  The
> $100 provision could either be left in or modified to apply to non-budgeted
> expenses.
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> Right now there is no defined “legal” standing the way it is written to go
> “around” the $100 voting requirement.  Even though what you are doing with
> the budget is perfectly normal, it’s not granted in >this< Constitution and
> it needs to be fixed.
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> Rob
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> From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces at hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Nigel Vander Houwen
> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:47 PM
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> To: Puget Sound Data Ring
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Quarterly Board Call
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> Rob,
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> Cory’s point is that there was a budget that the board voted to approve,
> which covers those expenses in line with the constitution. His
> recommendation is to amend the budget to create the room for purchasing
> gear, which the board would then vote on the amended budget. IE board
> pre-approval up to $X.
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>
> Nigel
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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 20:43, Rob Salsgiver <rob at nr3o.com> wrote:
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> Cory,
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> Not sure I agree with you on the “Votes only need to be held for purchases
> that exceed the budget “ topic.  If I read the constitution correctly:
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> Director decisions or actions which:
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> ·         impact HamWAN finances in excess of $100 USD
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> ·         or contractually obligate HamWAN in any way
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> ·         or are reasonably judged as significant
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> shall be announced to all public HamWAN mailing lists. Voting will be
> considered complete 24 hours after the mailing list announcement of the
> issue at hand. Decisions shall be rendered approved by a majority vote of
> the Directors who voted. Directors unfamiliar with the issue at hand are
> encouraged to abstain from voting. Non-Directors cannot cast votes, although
> they can communicate with Directors to influence their votes on issues.
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> I don’t see anywhere in the constitution that having a budget negates the
> need to have a vote on expenses over $100.  Let me know if I’m reading
> something incorrectly.  Even if that is how we are operating now with the
> $200 limits, technically that doesn’t agree with the constitution.
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> Don’t get me wrong – I’m not against making it easier to making the spending
> decisions easier - $100 is far too low for reasons already covered.  If
> we’re going to fix the problem we need to do it right.  As far as can tell,
> the constitution really needs to be amended in order to make this happen.
>
>
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> Cheers,
>
> Rob Salsgiver – NR3O
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PSDR [mailto:psdr-bounces at hamwan.org] On Behalf Of Cory (NQ1E)
> Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 2:28 PM
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Quarterly Board Call
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> We don't need to adjust the constitution to enable most spending decisions.
> Votes only need to be held for purchases that exceed the budget.  Recommend
> some changes and we can vote on a new budget to replace our current one.
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> How about something like these examples?
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> Up to $1500/site may be spent on the equipment needed to erect a new full
> cell in the network.
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> Up to $350/year may be spent on lab or demonstration equipment.
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> Up to $500/year may be spent to replace faulty equipment, as needed.
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> Current HamWAN Annual Budget (Adopted 2015-02-24):
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> ==========================================
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> Up to $200/year may be spent on the liability insurance coverage we need to
> host our equipment at certain third-party owned sites.
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> Up to $200/year may be spent on internet hosting related expenses such as
> domain names, server hosting and certificates.
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> Up to $200/year may be spent on miscellaneous administrative fees, including
> PO box rental as well as other fees required to keep our non-profit filings
> up to date.
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> This budget replaces all existing ones and does not expire until a new one
> is approved.  As provided in the HamWAN constitution, a separate vote must
> be held for incurring any other expenses over $100.
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> ==========================================
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> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel at nigelvh.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hello All,
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>> I wanted to send out a reminder here with access details regarding the
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>> quarterly board conference call we have coming up.
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>> The call will take place this upcoming Monday, April 4th at 6:30 PM
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>> Pacific time. (The monday two days from now). The board members will
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>> meet to discuss the current state and vote on any decisions necessary
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>> for the org. Members are welcome to dial in and listen, and I make a
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>> point of asking for general feedback on things being discussed before the
>> board makes a decision.
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>> You can join the conference call at the org’s conference line at
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>> 1-206-805-8861.
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>> If anyone has things they would like to have brought up on the agenda,
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>> please reach out to me and I’ll be sure to include them.
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>> Currently, the agenda stands at:
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>> Voting to reimburse Bart for the modem HamWAN has acquired from him,
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>> at at cost of $130 Discussion regarding adjusting the constitution to
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>> allow for board members to make reasonable spending decisions without
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>> needing to gather the board for a call, which are presently limited to
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>> less than $100, not even covering the expense of a single modem or
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>> antenna.
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>> Thanks,
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>> Nigel Vander Houwen
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