[HamWAN PSDR] New to HAMWAN (NE Portland)

Wed Sep 5 16:17:16 PDT 2018

Ah, yes. You couldn’t use 44-net space for a general ISP. Welcome to trying to buy some space from ARIN or a third party.

Nigel

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 16:15, John D. Hays <john at hays.org> wrote:
> 
> The earlier question was about hams providing Internet service to underserved areas (presumably for non-hams and for general Internet access) -- that is what I am clarifying.  Net-44 infrastructure can run on non Part-97 frequencies, but must follow Part-97 when using Part-97 frequencies.
> 
> If Net-44 addresses are used by non-hams or non-ham related activities then they are in violation of the TOS for the licensed subnets.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:52 PM Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel at nigelvh.com <mailto:nigel at nigelvh.com>> wrote:
> John,
> 
> Correct, but HamWAN is still a amateur network, built by hams, for hams, so it’s still an amateur radio network whether or not it’s part 97 spectrum.
> 
> Nigel
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 15:49, John D. Hays <john at hays.org <mailto:john at hays.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nigel,
>> 
>> The license for the address space says that it must be used within Amateur Radio -- not necessarily on the air, but within the context of Amateur Radio, which I take to include infrastructure.  I simply reference https://www.ampr.org/terms-of-service/ <https://www.ampr.org/terms-of-service/>
>> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:21 PM Nigel Vander Houwen <nigel at nigelvh.com <mailto:nigel at nigelvh.com>> wrote:
>> John,
>> 
>> With regards to the address space, it’s still an amateur network, so we wouldn’t need new space, there’s no requirement to only use it on part 97 frequencies. It’s just reserved for ham use.
>> 
>> You are correct that we gain some spectrum and some transmitter power flexibility.
>> 
>> Nigel
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 14:56, John D. Hays <john at hays.org <mailto:john at hays.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When Bart first proposed the HamWAN concept to various amateur radio forums, he observed that radio repeater sites would be beneficial to building the network.  It was pointed out that many of those sites provide space on a discounted or gratis basis for amateur radio purposes only (often in support of public service/emergency communications), and the repeater operators would likely loose their sites or start having to pay commercial rates.  Also, using 44.x.x.x routable addresses come with an amateur radio requirement.  In addition, running part 97 has greater transmitter power flexibility.
>>> 
>>> So, the network could be rebuilt using non Part 97 compliance, but new address space would be required (or a giant NAT infrastructure for IPv4) as well as re-negotiating site rentals.
>>> 
>>> So, unless those steps are undertaken, the network is under Part 97 rules for segments running in the US and its territories.
>>> 
>>> However, if Kent wanted to use the published HamWAN engineering work to build a similar WISP system, with associated costs, that is a possibility.
>>> 
>>> John D. Hays
>>> Edmonds, WAK7VE
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