[HamWAN PSDR] Thanks for the info (Was: A non-line of sight connectivity vendor replied)

[Kingsley G. Morse Jr.]

Hi Stephen,

Thank you for taking the time to share your
thoughts.

I find I often benefit from other peoples' points
of view, and unless I'm mistaken, now is one of
those times.

I was unaware Ham WAN uses a proprietary RF
protocol from MikroTik.

You asked how other vendors' equipment might be
relevant.

Maybe you know better, but it seems to me that
another tech, at least in theory, might let people
whose line of sight to a 5GHz Ham WAN tower is
blocked by trees to reach it.

But, maybe we agree, there remains the issue of
installing compatible gear next to the 5GHz Ham WAN
tower.

In theory, I can imagine connecting the 5GHz Ham WAN
gear on Lookout Mountain to tree piercing FreeWave
gear with something like an Ethernet cable.

But even if that's technically possible, Greg at
FreeWave candidly revealed their throughput is
limited to around 1.5Mbps for a single point to
point link, which isn't going to be fast enough
for general home internet usage.

I suppose other unknowns are

    how wide their antenna's angle is, and 

    how many 1.5Mbps users the cost could be
    shared by.

Thanks again for freely sharing your thoughts!

Kind regards,
Kingsley

On 07/24/2021 20:37, Stephen Kangas wrote:
> Hi Kingsley,
> Please clarify for me what relevance the comments from your below vendors have to do with 5GHz HamWan.  
> 
> In case you aren't already aware, I understand that HamWan here in the PNW requires MikroTik equipment because HamWan uses their proprietary (read: not available from anyone else) RF protocol.  Therefore, comments from other manufactures or their vendors about their capabilities should have little relevance.  What should matter is what MikroTik and their experienced installers say about link path interference, and our PNW HamWan install experts say that trees in the LOS path interrupts the signal.  Tests that I and another HamWan buddy of mine have performed with our portable client MikroTik equipment seems to bear that out.  I have a single cedar tree top that used to be in my fixed home QTH path from the Rattlesnake sector 2-3mi away, and moving my fixed client antenna up on a taller mask to clear the tree for direct LOS now makes it possible for me to get acceptable performance for WinLink email and my DMR hotspot.
> 
> If I'm missing something here (which I well may be), please inform me.
> 
> Stephen W9SK
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PSDR <psdr-bounces at hamwan.org> On Behalf Of Kingsley G. Morse Jr.
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2021 8:13 PM
> To: psdr at hamwan.org
> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] A non-line of sight connectivity vendor replied
> 
> I asked GNS Wireless, RadioLabs and FreeWave Tech.
> if their gizmos could reliably communicate between
> 
> a.) A HamWAN antenna on Lookout Mountain and
> 
> b.) computer users living in a treed neighborhood
>     roughly a mile away.
> 
> Greg Corey at FreeWave Technologies replied
> 
>     "We specialize in long-range, non-line of
>     sight connectivity for industrial processes.
>     We can most likely achieve a link to the
>     locations you described but the connection
>     speed would be very slow. Our maximum
>     throughput is around 1.5Mbps for a single
>     point-to-point link. Generally speaking, this
>     isn't going to be fast enough for general home
>     internet usage."
> 
> The others didn't reply.
> 
> I hope that helps, or is at least interesting.
> 
> Comments welcome.
> 
> So,
> Kingsley
> 
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