[HamWAN PSDR] Newbie

Mon Mar 15 21:34:30 PDT 2021

That was a test on my home Internet, but they would be if you started a
telnet session over HamWAN....

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 9:16 PM John D. Hays <john at hays.org> wrote:

> Are those over the airwaves?
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 17:56 Scott Currie <scott.d.currie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is not entirely true. Winlink does use TLS/SSL connections for some
>> things. The normal telnet connection is now SSL (will fallback to non-SSL
>> if the connection fails). Also, RMS Gateway to the CMS is now SSL. Telnet
>> P2P and telnet to RMS Relay is not SSL. I believe updates are also SSL now.
>>
>> [image: Winlink SSL.jpg]
>> Winlink Express Link Test:
>> Test started 2021/03/16 00:52 UTC
>>
>> Testing CMS telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8772...
>>   Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8772 in 253 Milliseconds
>>
>> Testing CMS SSL telnet connection to cms.winlink.org through port 8773...
>>   Successfully connected to a CMS through port 8773 in 311 Milliseconds
>>
>> Testing API service access through port 443 to api.winlink.org...
>>   Successfully performed API service to api.winlink.org through port 443
>> in 756 Milliseconds
>>
>> Testing Autoupdate server access through port 443 to
>> autoupdate2.winlink.org...
>>   Successfully checked autoupdate server through port 443 in 439
>> Milliseconds
>>
>> Testing connection to web site - www.winlink.org:443
>>   Successfully connected to www.winlink.org through port 443 in 47
>> Milliseconds
>>
>> Testing FTP connection to SFI site -
>> ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt
>>   Successfully connected to ftp://ftp.swpc.noaa.gov/pub/latest/SGAS.txt
>> through port 20/21 in 1522 Milliseconds
>>
>> Test completed successfully.
>> -Scott, NS7C
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:45 PM Stephen Kangas <stephen at kangas.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Phil, an example of the ham band traffic that Kenny mentioned is not
>>> permitted by the FCC is encrypted communications traffic…this means the
>>> majority of websites your visit today and many email hosters, since
>>> websites commonly use TLS/SSL encryption (indicated by “https” in front of
>>> the URL in your browser address bar) or encrypted settings in your email
>>> hoster & client.  Winlink does NOT use encryption, thus is legal, and is
>>> the primary application for my ARES team using HamWAN.  As Kenny points
>>> out, certain routers (not inexpensive home models) can be used to split
>>> that traffic appropriately, but it is not an easy setup unless you have a
>>> background in data networks or cybersecurity…so it’s far easier to either
>>> use HamWAN just for your dedicated ARES laptop use or switch a cable back
>>> and forth using one pipe at a time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FWIW, Stephen W9SK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* PSDR <psdr-bounces at hamwan.org> *On Behalf Of *Kenny Richards
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 15, 2021 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just want to add two things to what Carl said already.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Line of sight means you can actually 'see' the HamWAN node, or at
>>> least you can with something like a pair of binoculars.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Remember that HamWAN is not meant to be a replacement for your home
>>> internet. Be very conscious of what traffic you are putting over HamWAN. I
>>> don't recommend connecting it to your home network unless you are familiar
>>> enough with routing rules to limit what traffic goes out the HamWAN link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Kenny, KU7M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:40 PM <carl at n7kuw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Phil,
>>>
>>> You can do all of the configuration while on the ground, but obviously
>>> you won’t have any signal. You don’t indicate what specific equipment you
>>> have, but if you have the mAnt30 dish and separate router/modem, make sure
>>> you have the antenna connected before powering it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As to trees, they are an absolute show stopper. You must have clear,
>>> visual, line of sight to the HamWAN site you are shooting to. Hopefully you
>>> will have that, or can achieve that, from where you plan to mount the
>>> dish.  As to “just over them”, a microwave shot consists of the direct,
>>> pure line of sight, but also what is referred to as the Fresnel zone – a
>>> cigar shaped “balloon” around the pure line of sight.  Items in the Fresnel
>>> zone (including trees) can reduce the amount of signal you have, so you may
>>> not get optimum performance, but some.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In your initial post you commented about how to balance between your
>>> regular internet and HamWAN for a Winlink node.  My suggestion would be to
>>> just leave it on one (whichever one) as the norm, and only switch to the
>>> other if the one goes down.  You can also acquire routers that include
>>> failover capability to automatically make that switch.  You can go more
>>> advanced with load sharing and such between multiple connections, but that
>>> requires much better understanding of internet routing, and for a winlink
>>> node basic failover will serve your purpose.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck, let us know how things turn out.
>>>
>>> Carl, N7KUW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* PSDR <psdr-bounces at hamwan.org> *On Behalf Of *Phil Cornell via
>>> PSDR
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 15, 2021 12:11 PM
>>> *To:* psdr at hamwan.org
>>> *Subject:* [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I figured out my problem and I now have Winbox talking to the radio
>>> and reporting status.  I's not linking to anything since the antenna is
>>> still on the ground.  How much configuration can I do before mounting it on
>>> my roof.  The only question in my sight path may be some trees but I think
>>> I can aim just over them and get a signal.  My friend Bruce/WA7BAM will be
>>> helping with the antenna installation on Wed afternoon.  Making progress...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Phil Cornell  *
>>>
>>> *W7PLC *
>>>
>>> *SHARES NCS590*
>>>
>>> *Hybrid Gateway W7PLC*
>>>
>>> *TCARES  VP*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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