[HamWAN PSDR] PSDR Digest, Vol 88, Issue 1
Colin Stanners
cstanners at gmail.com
Mon Jun 1 16:49:23 PDT 2020
I know that I'm late, just following list digests, but I always recommend
putting fiber in lightning / RF prone conditions such as this. There are
quite cost- effective options If you know where to look, if anyone wants I
can price out some out.
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> 1. VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
> 2. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Jason J. Hill)
> 3. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
> (Kenny Richards)
> 4. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
> 5. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (j sweeney)
> 6. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
> 7. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Bart Kus)
> 8. Re: VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link (Tom Hayward)
> 9. SOLVED: Ups and Downs (David C. Jenner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:47:56 -0700
> From: Bart Kus <me at bartk.us>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
> Message-ID: <210ba29b-8927-856a-b192-f54fb64503e0 at bartk.us>
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>
> Hello,
>
> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of
> silly:
>
> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> UPTIME
> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m46s
> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m32s
> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m27s
> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> 1d9h35m21s
>
> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all
> the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install
> access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the
> LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used
> to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake
> Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost
> tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed
> link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side
> will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including
> that in this proposal.
>
> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>
> *Item**
> * *Quantity**
> * *Cost**
> * *Subtotal**
> *
> 500ft pull rope
> 1
> $12.97
> $12.97
> 425ft duct rod
> 1
> $111
> $111
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $11.53
> $11.53
> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
> PoE and access ports for clients
> 1
> $170
> $170
> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> providing ports to lots of devices there
> 1
> $185.24
> $185.24
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $33.04
> $33.04
> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> 1
> $137.68
> $137.68
> Taxes for above
> 1
> $12.80
> $12.80
> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> 2
> $150
> $300
> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> 1
> $120
> $120
> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> 1
> $100
> $100
> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>
>
> $1,194.26
>
>
> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>
> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
> long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions,
> and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence
> director votes. Our procedures are documented here:
>
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>
> --Bart
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 06:08:16 +0000
> From: "Jason J. Hill" <Jason at pnwrr.com>
> To: Bart Kus <me at bartk.us>, Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
> link
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> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one you'd
> like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently occupy
> their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish could
> be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd like.
>
> Jason
> kd7tqn
>
>
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: Bart Kus
> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring;
> Cc:
> Subject:[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
>
> Hello,
>
> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of
> silly:
>
> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> UPTIME
> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m46s
> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m32s
> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m27s
> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> 1d9h35m21s
>
> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all the
> shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access
> switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
> directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to allow
> us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd
> like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new
> high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem
> upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
>
> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
>
> Item
> Quantity
> Cost
> Subtotal
>
> 500ft pull rope
> 1
> $12.97
> $12.97
>
> 425ft duct rod
> 1
> $111
> $111
>
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $11.53
> $11.53
>
> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/ PoE
> and access ports for clients
> 1
> $170
> $170
>
> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> providing ports to lots of devices there
> 1
> $185.24
> $185.24
>
> Taxes for above 2 items
> 1
> $33.04
> $33.04
>
> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> 1
> $137.68
> $137.68
>
> Taxes for above
> 1
> $12.80
> $12.80
>
> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> 2
> $150
> $300
>
> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> 1
> $120
> $120
>
> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> 1
> $100
> $100
>
> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
>
>
> $1,194.26
>
>
> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
>
> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
> long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions, and
> members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence director
> votes. Our procedures are documented here:
>
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
>
> --Bart
>
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> Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:22:25 -0700
> From: Kenny Richards <richark at gmail.com>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
> link
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> Bart,
>
> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't remember
> seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
>
> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are you
> planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's or
> something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or location of
> these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place to start with your
> plan? Have you received permission from the site owners for this work?
>
> Thanks
> Kenny
>
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason at pnwrr.com> wrote:
>
> > I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one
> you'd
> > like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently occupy
> > their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish could
> > be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd like.
> >
> > Jason
> > kd7tqn
> >
> >
> >
> > ------ Original message------
> > *From: *Bart Kus
> > *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> > *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
> > *Cc: *
> > *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind of
> > silly:
> >
> > # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> > UPTIME
> > 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m46s
> > 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m32s
> > 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m27s
> > 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> > 1d9h35m21s
> >
> > They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> > couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> > long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all
> the
> > shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access
> > switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
> > directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to
> allow
> > us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd
> > like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the
> new
> > high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> > Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem
> > upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
> >
> > Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
> >
> > *Item*
> > *Quantity*
> > *Cost*
> > *Subtotal*
> > 500ft pull rope
> > 1
> > $12.97
> > $12.97
> > 425ft duct rod
> > 1
> > $111
> > $111
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $11.53
> > $11.53
> > CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
> PoE
> > and access ports for clients
> > 1
> > $170
> > $170
> > CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> > providing ports to lots of devices there
> > 1
> > $185.24
> > $185.24
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $33.04
> > $33.04
> > 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> > 1
> > $137.68
> > $137.68
> > Taxes for above
> > 1
> > $12.80
> > $12.80
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> > 2
> > $150
> > $300
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> > 1
> > $120
> > $120
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> > 1
> > $100
> > $100
> > TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
> >
> >
> > $1,194.26
> >
> > Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
> >
> > Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
> > long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions,
> and
> > members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence
> director
> > votes. Our procedures are documented here:
> >
> > http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
> >
> > --Bart
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PSDR mailing list
> > PSDR at hamwan.org
> > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 23:35:03 -0700
> From: Bart Kus <me at bartk.us>
> To: Kenny Richards <richark at gmail.com>, Puget Sound Data Ring
> <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
> link
> Message-ID: <f6766014-512f-c9de-4b58-942225fe3d86 at bartk.us>
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> Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who
> would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've partnered
> with another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under his lease, so
> we don't need any further approvals. But thanks for offering to help!
>
> Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
> conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
> sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish
> a ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are
> spare CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north
> building, so that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the
> bunker was done earlier this year as a response to the awful power
> outages we suffered this winter. The north building is now tied into
> generator control (and possibly power?) of the bunker.
>
> --Bart
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
> > Bart,
> >
> > I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't
> > remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
> >
> > What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are
> > you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's
> > or something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or
> > location of these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place
> > to start with your plan? Have you received permission from the site
> > owners for this work?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kenny
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason at pnwrr.com
> > <mailto:Jason at pnwrr.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the
> > one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't
> > currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with
> > them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease at
> > no additional cost if you'd like.
> >
> > Jason
> > kd7tqn
> >
> >
> >
> > ------ Original message------
> > *From: *Bart Kus
> > *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> > *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
> > *Cc: *
> > *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
> link
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are
> > kind of silly:
> >
> > # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL...
> > TX-RATE UPTIME
> > 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm
> > 32.5... 2d8h51m46s
> > 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm
> > 32.5... 2d8h51m32s
> > 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm
> > 32.5... 2d8h51m27s
> > 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm
> > 19.5... 1d9h35m21s
> >
> > They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top,
> > just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a
> > waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links.
> > I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit
> > Ethernet, and install access switches at the 2 other shacks so
> > people there can plug into the LAN directly. This high speed LAN
> > between all shacks can then be used to allow us to address the 4th
> > silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install
> > a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new high
> > speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> > Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a
> > modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this
> > proposal.
> >
> > Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
> >
> > *Item**
> > * *Quantity**
> > * *Cost**
> > * *Subtotal**
> > *
> > 500ft pull rope
> > 1
> > $12.97
> > $12.97
> > 425ft duct rod
> > 1
> > $111
> > $111
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $11.53
> > $11.53
> > CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake
> > dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
> > 1
> > $170
> > $170
> > CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch
> > and providing ports to lots of devices there
> > 1
> > $185.24
> > $185.24
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $33.04
> > $33.04
> > 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> > 1
> > $137.68
> > $137.68
> > Taxes for above
> > 1
> > $12.80
> > $12.80
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> > 2
> > $150
> > $300
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> > 1
> > $120
> > $120
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation
> kit
> > 1
> > $100
> > $100
> > TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
> >
> >
> > $1,194.26
> >
> >
> > Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
> >
> > Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in
> > way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such
> > spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with
> > opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are
> > documented here:
> >
> > http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
> >
> > --Bart
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PSDR mailing list
> > PSDR at hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR at hamwan.org>
> > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
> >
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:15:19 -0700
> From: j sweeney <jms at swny.io>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
> link
> Message-ID: <AE9214EC-E90A-479E-9E4E-81C4839ECBAC at swny.io>
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>
> All,
>
> I've got a mANT30 that I've wound up not using that I'd be happy to
> contribute to this project. It has been assembled / hanging in my garage
> for a year. It is NOT the precision mount version.
>
> Let me know if that would be of use,
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> > On 31 May 02020, at 23:35, Bart Kus <me at bartk.us> wrote:
> >
> > Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who
> would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've partnered with
> another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under his lease, so we
> don't need any further approvals. But thanks for offering to help!
> >
> > Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
> conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
> sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish a
> ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are spare
> CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north building, so
> that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the bunker was done
> earlier this year as a response to the awful power outages we suffered this
> winter. The north building is now tied into generator control (and
> possibly power?) of the bunker.
> >
> > --Bart
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
> >> Bart,
> >>
> >> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't
> remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
> >>
> >> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet? Are
> you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the tree's or
> something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout or location of
> these different buildings. so maybe that is a good place to start with your
> plan? Have you received permission from the site owners for this work?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Kenny
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason at pnwrr.com
> <mailto:Jason at pnwrr.com>> wrote:
> >> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the one
> you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't currently
> occupy their main tower structure, we can check with them to see if a dish
> could be covered under our current lease at no additional cost if you'd
> like.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >> kd7tqn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------ Original message------
> >> From: Bart Kus
> >> Date: Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> >> To: Puget Sound Data Ring;
> >> Cc:
> >> Subject:[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake link
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind
> of silly:
> >>
> >> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> UPTIME
> >> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m46s
> >> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m32s
> >> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> 2d8h51m27s
> >> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> 1d9h35m21s
> >>
> >> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all the
> shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access
> switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
> directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be used to allow
> us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd
> like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost tower (fed by the new
> high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and
> Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem
> upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
> >>
> >> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
> >>
> >> Item
> >> Quantity
> >> Cost
> >> Subtotal
> >> 500ft pull rope
> >> 1
> >> $12.97
> >> $12.97
> >> 425ft duct rod
> >> 1
> >> $111
> >> $111
> >> Taxes for above 2 items
> >> 1
> >> $11.53
> >> $11.53
> >> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
> PoE and access ports for clients
> >> 1
> >> $170
> >> $170
> >> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> providing ports to lots of devices there
> >> 1
> >> $185.24
> >> $185.24
> >> Taxes for above 2 items
> >> 1
> >> $33.04
> >> $33.04
> >> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> >> 1
> >> $137.68
> >> $137.68
> >> Taxes for above
> >> 1
> >> $12.80
> >> $12.80
> >> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> >> 2
> >> $150
> >> $300
> >> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> >> 1
> >> $120
> >> $120
> >> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> >> 1
> >> $100
> >> $100
> >> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
> >>
> >>
> >> $1,194.26
> >>
> >> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
> >>
> >> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way too
> long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend decisions, and
> members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to influence director
> votes. Our procedures are documented here:
> >>
> >> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html <
> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html>
> >>
> >> --Bart
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PSDR mailing list
> >> PSDR at hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR at hamwan.org>
> >> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr <
> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr>
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:42:25 -0700
> From: Bart Kus <me at bartk.us>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>, j sweeney <jms at swny.io>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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> I'm sure we could make use of it, probably not for this project but
> other upcoming ones. Please shoot me an email privately with address
> and we can arrange a pick-up.
>
> --Bart
>
>
> On 6/1/2020 9:15 AM, j sweeney wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I've got a mANT30 that I've wound up not using that I'd be happy to
> > contribute to this project. It has been assembled / hanging in my
> > garage for a year. It is NOT the precision mount version.
> >
> > Let me know if that would be of use,
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > James
> >
> >> On 31 May 02020, at 23:35, Bart Kus <me at bartk.us
> >> <mailto:me at bartk.us>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jason, glad you like this idea, as you're one one of the tenants who
> >> would benefit from the in-building switch access. :) We've
> >> partnered with another tenant who is sponsoring this build-out under
> >> his lease, so we don't need any further approvals. But thanks for
> >> offering to help!
> >>
> >> Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
> >> conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
> >> sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to
> >> fish a ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as
> >> there are spare CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and
> >> north building, so that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to
> >> the bunker was done earlier this year as a response to the awful
> >> power outages we suffered this winter. The north building is now
> >> tied into generator control (and possibly power?) of the bunker.
> >>
> >> --Bart
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/31/2020 11:22 PM, Kenny Richards wrote:
> >>> Bart,
> >>>
> >>> I've seen several of these e-mails about the project, but don't
> >>> remember seeing an explanation of a key aspect.
> >>>
> >>> What is the plan to connect the buildings with gigabit Ethernet?
> >>> Are you planning on digging a trench, stringing the CAT5 along the
> >>> tree's or something else? Sorry, I am not familiar with the layout
> >>> or location of these different buildings. so maybe that is a good
> >>> place to start with your plan? Have you received permission from the
> >>> site owners for this work?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Kenny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jason J. Hill <Jason at pnwrr.com
> >>> <mailto:Jason at pnwrr.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I like this idea. It looks like the wiztronics site would be the
> >>> one you'd like to put the link to rattlesnake on. Since we don't
> >>> currently occupy their main tower structure, we can check with
> >>> them to see if a dish could be covered under our current lease
> >>> at no additional cost if you'd like.
> >>>
> >>> Jason
> >>> kd7tqn
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------ Original message------
> >>> *From: *Bart Kus
> >>> *Date: *Sun, May 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> >>> *To: *Puget Sound Data Ring;
> >>> *Cc: *
> >>> *Subject:*[HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and
> >>> Rattlesnake link
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are
> >>> kind of silly:
> >>>
> >>> # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> >>> UPTIME
> >>> 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> >>> 2d8h51m46s
> >>> 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> >>> 2d8h51m32s
> >>> 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> >>> 2d8h51m27s
> >>> 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> >>> 1d9h35m21s
> >>>
> >>> They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top,
> >>> just a couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a
> >>> waste of prime long-range spectrum, being used to do
> >>> local-links. I'd like to get all the shacks @ Baldi tied
> >>> together via gigabit Ethernet, and install access switches at
> >>> the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into the LAN
> >>> directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be
> >>> used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is
> >>> Rattlesnake Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on
> >>> the northernmost tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as
> >>> a dedicated high speed link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The
> >>> dish on the Rattlesnake side will also need a modem upgrade to
> >>> run at full speed, and I'm including that in this proposal.
> >>>
> >>> Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
> >>>
> >>> *Item**
> >>> * *Quantity**
> >>> * *Cost**
> >>> * *Subtotal**
> >>> *
> >>> 500ft pull rope
> >>> 1
> >>> $12.97
> >>> $12.97
> >>> 425ft duct rod
> >>> 1
> >>> $111
> >>> $111
> >>> Taxes for above 2 items
> >>> 1
> >>> $11.53
> >>> $11.53
> >>> CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake
> >>> dish w/ PoE and access ports for clients
> >>> 1
> >>> $170
> >>> $170
> >>> CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch
> >>> and providing ports to lots of devices there
> >>> 1
> >>> $185.24
> >>> $185.24
> >>> Taxes for above 2 items
> >>> 1
> >>> $33.04
> >>> $33.04
> >>> 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> >>> 1
> >>> $137.68
> >>> $137.68
> >>> Taxes for above
> >>> 1
> >>> $12.80
> >>> $12.80
> >>> Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> >>> 2
> >>> $150
> >>> $300
> >>> Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> >>> 1
> >>> $120
> >>> $120
> >>> Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish
> >>> isolation kit
> >>> 1
> >>> $100
> >>> $100
> >>> TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> $1,194.26
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
> >>>
> >>> Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in
> >>> way too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such
> >>> spend decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with
> >>> opinions to influence director votes. Our procedures are
> >>> documented here:
> >>>
> >>> http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
> >>>
> >>> --Bart
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> PSDR mailing list
> >>> PSDR at hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR at hamwan.org>
> >>> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> PSDR mailing list
> >> PSDR at hamwan.org <mailto:PSDR at hamwan.org>
> >> http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 09:50:02 -0700
> From: Bart Kus <me at bartk.us>
> To: psdr at hamwan.org
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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> Woops, forgot to add 2.4GHz access points to the spend request, 1 for
> each building. They came out to $117.51 total, bringing the new grand
> total to $1,311.77.
>
> --Bart
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 10:47 PM, Bart Kus wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > We have 4 clients connected to Baldi-S1 (a SISO sector) that are kind
> > of silly:
> >
> > # INTERFACE RADIO-NAME MAC-ADDRESS AP SIGNAL... TX-RATE
> > UPTIME
> > 0 wlan1 AF7PR-Baldi E4:8D:8C:C6:F5:45 no -60dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m46s
> > 1 wlan1 KD7TQN-Baldi D4:CA:6D:C2:ED:93 no -65dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m32s
> > 2 wlan1 N7OEP/Baldi-B... D4:CA:6D:0D:53:F9 no -60dBm 32.5...
> > 2d8h51m27s
> > 3 wlan1 Rattlesnake-B... 64:D1:54:AF:3F:CD no -79dBm 19.5...
> > 1d9h35m21s
> >
> > They're silly because the first 3 are at the same mountain top, just a
> > couple hundred feet away in adjacent shacks. This is a waste of prime
> > long-range spectrum, being used to do local-links. I'd like to get all
> > the shacks @ Baldi tied together via gigabit Ethernet, and install
> > access switches at the 2 other shacks so people there can plug into
> > the LAN directly. This high speed LAN between all shacks can then be
> > used to allow us to address the 4th silly client, which is Rattlesnake
> > Mountain. I'd like to install a dedicated dish on the northernmost
> > tower (fed by the new high speed LAN) to act as a dedicated high speed
> > link between Baldi and Rattlesnake. The dish on the Rattlesnake side
> > will also need a modem upgrade to run at full speed, and I'm including
> > that in this proposal.
> >
> > Here is the rough budget for this spend request:
> >
> > *Item**
> > * *Quantity**
> > * *Cost**
> > * *Subtotal**
> > *
> > 500ft pull rope
> > 1
> > $12.97
> > $12.97
> > 425ft duct rod
> > 1
> > $111
> > $111
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $11.53
> > $11.53
> > CRS112-8P-4S-IN for northernmost building, feeding Rattlesnake dish w/
> > PoE and access ports for clients
> > 1
> > $170
> > $170
> > CRS326-24G-2S+RM for middle building, acting as mid-span switch and
> > providing ports to lots of devices there
> > 1
> > $185.24
> > $185.24
> > Taxes for above 2 items
> > 1
> > $33.04
> > $33.04
> > 1000ft Shielded CAT5 TC-PRO ToughCable
> > 1
> > $137.68
> > $137.68
> > Taxes for above
> > 1
> > $12.80
> > $12.80
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: RB921UAGS-5SHPacD-NM modem
> > 2
> > $150
> > $300
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: mANT30 2ft microwave dish
> > 1
> > $120
> > $120
> > Existing Inventory Estimate: Sleeve30 2ft microwave dish isolation kit
> > 1
> > $100
> > $100
> > TOTAL COST ESTIMATE
> >
> >
> > $1,194.26
> >
> >
> > Current HamWAN balance is about $16k.
> >
> > Procedural reminder since we haven't had one of these emails in way
> > too long: HamWAN directors have 24 hours to vote upon such spend
> > decisions, and members have the same time to weigh in with opinions to
> > influence director votes. Our procedures are documented here:
> >
> > http://hamwan.org/Administrative/Constitution.html
> >
> > --Bart
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PSDR mailing list
> > PSDR at hamwan.org
> > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:01:32 -0700
> From: Tom Hayward <tom at tomh.us>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Subject: Re: [HamWAN PSDR] VOTE: Baldi LAN expansion and Rattlesnake
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> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:35 PM Bart Kus <me at bartk.us> wrote:
>
> > Kenny, a great question that I forgot to make clear. There is already
> > conduit between all the buildings. I confirmed tonight that it's got
> > sufficient capacity to run an extra CAT5. I think we only have to fish a
> > ~150ft run between the middle building and the bunker, as there are spare
> > CAT5s in the conduit between the middle building and north building, so
> > that should just be plug-n-play. The trenching to the bunker was done
> > earlier this year as a response to the awful power outages we suffered
> this
> > winter. The north building is now tied into generator control (and
> > possibly power?) of the bunker.
> >
>
> Does the conduit already carry a conductor? I would avoid installing
> anything but fiber between buildings to simplify grounding/isolation.
>
> Tom
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 10:42:27 -0700
> From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner8 at mac.com>
> To: Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> Cc: Mark Saran <msaran at olympus.net>
> Subject: [HamWAN PSDR] SOLVED: Ups and Downs
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> Thanks to those who told me how to check out my radio/dish. It was
> fine. Problem had to be before radio or after radio. It was after, on
> my site. Unless you are really interested, you can stop reading now.
>
> My dish/radio is on my pumphouse with a clear view to Buck Mtn, 800 feet
> from the shop with router in "Internet Central." To get from pumphouse
> to shop, I choose to use an old underground telephone line that was
> installed 35 years ago, and I installed VDSL on it. It's underground
> except for one 20-30 foot segment that crosses a driveway. It runs a
> couple of feet away from an old, high pressure, sodium vapor "barn
> lamp." The lamp is starting to fail (it's also probably 35 years old).
> The lamp goes on automatically during the time period I was having
> downs/ups on Buck HamWAN.
>
> The VDSL line is zippy, running at at least 100Mbps, but is apparently
> sensitive to fluctuations in lamp as it flickers. The telephone line is
> twisted pair and it's shielded, but apparently not up to the noise
> created nearby by the lamp.
>
> I've been meaning to replace that lamp for some time now, and I need to
> bury the last segment of the telephone line.
>
> 73,
> Dave
> K7DCJ
>
>
>
> On 5/11/20 10:09 AM, David Jenner via PSDR wrote:
> > My connection (K7DCJ-Buck) has been down for a few minutes a couple of
> dozen times in the last two days. Is the source of this known, or is it at
> my place?
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave
> > K7DCJ
> > _______________________________________________
> > PSDR mailing list
> > PSDR at hamwan.org
> > http://mail.hamwan.net/mailman/listinfo/psdr
> >
>
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