[HamWAN PSDR] Newbie

[Kenny Richards]

Phil,

I'm sorry, it was my comment that started the encryption discussion and
caused the thread to go down a different path. To hopefully provide helpful
direction, my comment about limiting what uses the HamWAN link is not only
rooted in whether ham radio can use encryption or not. At an even more
fundamental level, the company which provides the primary link to the
internet for HamWAN does it with the expectation only ham radio things are
using it. Nobody should consider HamWAN a replacement for their home
internet, because that would be against the terms of service HamWAN has
with our hosting partner.

To provide a possible alternative, do you have access to a secondary site
which has a line of site to the EOC and to a HamWAN node (either Capital
Peak or another)? You might be able to link the two by putting two HamWAN
links together at this new third location.

73,
Kenny, KU7M

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:23 PM Phil Cornell via PSDR <psdr at hamwan.org>
wrote:

> This discussion of encryption is all very interesting but I think we got
> off track here.  I was asking for help with setting up a new link.  Right
> now it looks like the Thurston County EOC is questionable due to some trees
> blocking the view of Capital Peak from the parking lot.  We need to see
> this view from the tower or building roof and that won't be happening
> anytime soon.  My Plan C, ("A" was at my house, "B" was at the EOC) is to
> install it at Crawford Peak, just outside of the town of Rainier, and
> connect it to a new Fusion capable UHF repeater(OARS 441.400 pl103.5) and
> link to Capital Peak from there.  That will require a lot of permissions,
> politics, and persistence.  It will require working with
> TCOMM-911(building/tower owner), DNR(site manager), and Thurston County
> Sheriff(lease holder), the IT/Radio tech for TCOMM is very interested so
> this may be easier than expected.
>
> More details to follow.
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>   1. Encryption is (can be) Legal (Donald Rotolo)
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> Hello,
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> To amplify Kevin’s comment below:
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> In a conversation several years ago with Riley Hollingsworth, then the
> FCC’s enforcement guy, he emphasized to me that “obscuring the meaning” was
> not allowed, but encryption for other purposes was perfectly acceptable. I
> even wrote about it (“Encryption is Legal”, August 2006) in CQ Magazine
> (google it, it’ll come up somewhere).
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> Granted, Riley is no longer with the FCC. But authentication != obscuring
> meaning, and lawyers focus on the meaning of the words as written. And, if
> it is not prohibited, it is allowed.
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> So it all comes down to the purpose of the encryption, right?  Purpose is
> obscuring meaning = Not allowed. Purpose is other, allowed.
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> 73, Don N2IRZ
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> *From:* Kevin Walsh [mailto:w8khw1 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 16, 2021 6:09 PM
> *To:* Puget Sound Data Ring <psdr at hamwan.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [HamWAN PSDR] Newbie
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> Hello,
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> The word encryption never appears in Part 97 rules, so its definition is
> irrelevant here. The key words in the rule are “intent” and “obscure”.  So
> for instance, two people speaking pig-Latin with the intent of obscuring
> their conversation violate the same rule and the conversation is prohibited
> - even though it’s not encrypted.
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> If I may, another option would be to get any of your associated Public
> Safety agencies to in part sponsor HamWan. Public Safety was granted access
> to the “special” Amateur Radio portion of 5.8GHz years ago and they CAN use
> (and in my state require) secure communication. Then you’re operating under
> Part 15 and the conversation is moot.
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> https://www.fcc.gov/public-safety/public-safety-and-homeland-security/policy-and-licensing-division/public-safety-spectrum
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> Just food for thought, I’ll go back to lurking now :-).
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> 73,
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> Kevin
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> W8KHW
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